| From Gallup Management Journal
A GMJ Q&A with Vandana
Allman, coauthor of Animals, Inc. (Warner Books, 2004)
Vandana Allman spends her days calibrating scientific instruments
that measure the most human of all attributes: talent. As Gallup's
global practice leader for talent-based hiring, Allman consults
with senior executives on how to improve their hiring and development
strategies -- from recruitment to selection to workplace management.
But when Allman talks about "talent," she doesn't just
mean an ability to do something specific, like play the violin
or shoot baskets, exceptionally well. Allman helps businesses find
employees with the right talents for success in a role or position.
This kind of talent is the principle behind "the right fit
for the job," and its effects on employee engagement and productivity,
customer engagement, and a business' financial success are profound.
While the return on investment from selecting
employees with the right talents for the job can be exponential,
so can the reverse, Allman says: Hiring employees with no talent
for the job or who are not the right fit wastes recruiting dollars,
time, and effort. Worse, employees with mismatched talents turn
off customers, disrupt workgroups, and corrupt brands. In this
interview, Allman, who coauthored the humorous business parable
Animals, Inc., explains talent and how to find it and hire it,
as well as the dollar value of catching the few "perfect fits" in
your pool of applicants.
GMJ: When you talk about hiring for talent, what do you mean by
talent?
Vandana Allman: Over the years, Gallup research has focused on
a very specific definition of talent: It's a recurring pattern
of thought, feeling, or behavior that can be productively applied.
Talent is second nature -- the actions people take or the ways
they think or behave as a matter of instinct. Some examples are
the way someone focuses on details, or needs to have very precise
directions, or can't help but make new friends in a roomful of
strangers. Those are all indications of talent. Our decisions and
reactions are functions of talent, and talent is hardwired into
who we are.
GMJ: What does this definition of talent have to do with work?
Allman: Let's say you're leading a group of employees who have
come together to work as a team, and you're focused on achieving
an objective or goal. For the team to succeed, you need to think
about the talents each team member brings to the table. You need
people with the talents it will take to get the job done. Instead,
most of us tend to recruit people who are very much like ourselves.
GMJ: Deliberately?
Allman: Not really. We tend to do it because
there's something very safe and comfortable about someone who
makes decisions in the same way we do, or reacts the same way,
or has similar mannerisms. You think, "Oh, I like that.
I can work with that."
GMJ: Is that so bad?
Allman: It may seem easier to work with someone
who's like yourself, but most likely, that's not how you'll get
real growth. Teams of people who are too alike can easily fall
into "group-think" and
approach every single problem the same way. For real productivity
and innovation, teams need people who bring different perspectives
and varying but effective talents. If they can collectively leverage
those talents, they'll reach better solutions more quickly, more
efficiently, and likely under budget.
Traditionally in human resources, we ask: "Have you done
this work before? How long? Where did you do it? Where did you
go to school?" But these questions just scratch the surface.
They overlook talent. And people who lack the core talents needed
for success in a role are never going to achieve and sustain superior
levels of performance; they're never going to grow at an exponential
rate. But if you're able to select someone who has the right talents,
as well as useful experience and the right educational background,
that would be the complete package.
Gallup's studies show that if you could select someone with talent,
you could teach him or her the nuts and bolts of the position.
Very soon, this person will start to outperform those who have
tenure or experience in that industry but don't have the right
talents, and after a while, you'll see that the person you hired
just outperforms like crazy.
GMJ: Cutting to the chase, is there a dollar value to hiring for
talent?
Allman: Yes. First, hiring is expensive. For example, it costs
one company, a large sub- prime U.S. mortgage lender, about $40,000
to recruit, hire, and train one mortgage consultant. That's a direct
cost, but there are indirect costs, too. Let's say you hire the
wrong person -- someone who makes bad decisions, disrupts the workgroup,
and corrupts your brand while he or she is working for you. You've
just wasted the money it took to hire that person, and now your
company is leaking money in lost productivity and lost customers.
GMJ: So you've hired a miserable employee who's making other people
miserable, too.
Allman: Yes, and if they're that miserable, one of two things
will happen. If you're lucky, they leave. They may go to your competition,
which is often what happens.
The other option, which is even worse for your
organization, is that they stay. Day after day, they'll neglect
their responsibilities and your customers; they'll draw a crowd
around them while complaining about the kind of work they have
to do and what a bad place this is to work. Those kinds of indirect
costs are hard to estimate, but they're probably much higher
than the original hiring costs. Our talent inventory poll shows
that 42% of working adults have basic psychological fit to their
jobs, while only 16% have psychological fit to their jobs and
are engaged in their workplaces. (See sidebar "The
Three Types of Employees.")
But think about how much the outstanding employees in your organization
-- the ones with the right talents for the job -- outperform those
who are either average or below average. Supervisory ratings, absenteeism
rates, productivity numbers -- all are significantly more positive
with employees who are a better fit in their positions than with
those who aren't. When you hire for talent, you avoid wasting money
on bad hires, and you make more money because of the talent level
of your good hires. Talented people can make enormous contributions
to an organization.
GMJ: Is there one method of determining talent for every job role
in a company?
Allman: No, because the best approach can vary depending on the
kind of role and the number of employees needed to fill it. For
example, think about a retailer who needs to hire hundreds of people
as frontline salespeople for the holiday season. That retailer
needs a selection instrument that's automated and available 24
hours a day, seven days a week -- one that can sort among hundreds
of applicants to find the ones with the right talents for the role.
And it needs to do it quickly so hiring managers can use that information,
along with other information they gather from applicants, to make
fast decisions about whom to hire or not. That's one approach.
On the other hand, think about a company that needs to hire a
chief financial officer. That's a sophisticated leadership role
-- one that's key to the future of the organization. In that case,
we recommend a selection process that's very high-touch. It includes
a structured interview that's administered by analysts who are
trained to listen for responses that are similar to those given
by the multitude of successful leaders we've studied over the past
35 years.
GMJ: What kind of questions do analysts ask?
Allman: It varies depending on the position and the organization.
We study the best performers in an organization, ask them questions,
and figure out which questions are the most predictive of successful
job performance. All employees, not just those in leadership roles,
who achieve great outcomes and have great fit for their jobs, tend
to answer questions in a similar fashion.
GMJ: What about the legality of this? Fairness in recruiting and
hiring?
Allman: When applicants are assessed for a position with a company,
either through a selection instrument on the Web, on the phone
with an automated system, or with an analyst, there's no possibility
of visual discrimination. A focus on talent actually increases
the diversity among the applicant pool because companies are looking
at a person's hardwiring -- how these people will respond to a
client, problem, or a situation -- and not the kind of schools
that they've gone to or the kind of work experiences that they
have had.
GMJ: It sounds like people with the talents for their jobs are
happier.
Allman: Being in a role that's not a fit for your talents can
be very, very depressing. If you come home beat up and demoralized,
what good are you to your family, your friends, or your community?
It's much different if you're in a role that matches your talents.
Your day may have been frustrating, but knowing that you have the
ability to fix the problems -- knowing that you can make a difference
-- can have a big effect on how you react. You're much more positive,
much more focused. You're much more engaged in your work and your
life, and the world seems like a much better place.
-- Interviewed by Jennifer Robison
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